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jaymehime	USA - Brazil	Lead	[-]
(06/28/09 2:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None So far so good.... 2-0 USA. 35 to go first half "I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch." - George Burns - James
jaymehime		#1	[-]
(06/28/09 2:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ok the last 5 minutes of the half had me in cardiac arrest... "I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch." - George Burns - James
aml1000		#2	[-]
(06/28/09 2:23 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Crazy to see that score. The US has truly elevated their play for the past three games. Beating Egypt was surprising, beating Spain was shocking. Brazil? I've enjoyed the heck out of this tournament. Alex D-18 GE, D-28, Gibson Les Paul Studio, Epi EF500-RCCE
kydave		#3	[-]
(06/28/09 3:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What are they playing? Kentucky Dave's Martins: 00-28H (2006 Custom); SP000-16R (1999 Special Edition); 0000-28H (1999); D-28 (1971) myspace.davetrabue and beargrasscreek Piraticus 13:7 , , <> ^^^
aml1000		#4	[-]
(06/28/09 3:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Soccer. Three nice goals from Brazil in the second half sealed it up. Still, the US team can be proud of its performance. Alex D-18 GE, D-28, Gibson Les Paul Studio, Epi EF500-RCCE
jaymehime		#5	[-]
(06/28/09 3:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ohhhh It was a good game, never the less. I don't know what the press will say, but Howard did a good job. "I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch." - George Burns - James
Fogducker		#6	[-]
(06/28/09 7:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Seems like every few years there's some professional or Olympic soccer fever for a week or so,----- and then it subsides again! It's an outstanding game for young people 4 years old and up through high school. After maybe a bit of college, it fades from the average American's sports interest. As a money making professional sport, it fails in the USA! Fog
Sloppy Picker		#7	[-]
(06/29/09 7:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's a shame this didn't get better coverage here-these were HUGE wins for the USA. Too bad Brazil pulled it out in the end but for the USA to push them that hard is way beyond what many expected from them. ~Matt 06 OM-28V, 00 Martin/Humphrey C-1R(Humphreyfied!), 83 Alvarez-Yairi DY-41
Walkin Boss		#8	[-]
(06/29/09 12:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fogducker wrote: Seems like every few years there's some professional or Olympic soccer fever for a week or so,----- and then it subsides again! It's an outstanding game for young people 4 years old and up through high school. After maybe a bit of college, it fades from the average American's sports interest. As a money making professional sport, it fails in the USA! Fog I think that if the US could generate any sustained success it would be different. It's a bit of a chicken and the egg problem though - without a successful team there is not interest in the sport and therefore less people play it and the talent pool is limited. With a limited talent pool the team is not successul. Without a successful team there is not...... "Going where the wind don't blow so strange."
Lefty00042		#9	[-]
(06/29/09 12:23 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fogducker wrote: As a money making professional sport, it fails in the USA! Query: where does the "money making" part come from in the United States? Answer: it ain't ticket sales and attendance at games or matches. It's TV revenue mostly, plus merchandizing. As long as Fox/ESPN/ABC/NBC/CBS keep pumping cash into the NFL, MLB, NBA and to a much lesser extent hockey, golf, tennis, etc., those sports will dominate the "money making" aspects of sports in America. However, as the Hispanic proportion of the population continues to grow in America over the next 20 years, I predict things will change. Drive around your parks during the soccer "off season" and tell me what you see? Here, when it's summer time and "too hot" (according to club officials) for an organized youth summer soccer league, there is a well-organize, very well-attended Latin league that plays in the late afternoons every weekend and some weeknights. ~ Herb -- D-15 \| HD-28V \| 00-18VS UMGF Custom, #15 \| 000-42 1935 Sunburst \| 000-18 Golden Era 1935 Sunburst LXBlack \| National Reso-Phonic Delphi \| Epi Dot 335-clone \| Agile Al2800 LP-clone \| Fender Standard Telecaster KoAloha Soprano Ukulele \| Glyph Custom Ukulele \| Martin 3 Cherry Ukulele www.angryherb.net
outfidel		#10	[-]
(06/29/09 2:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Soccer/football/futbol is a great sport to play. Personally, I don't find it great to watch on TV -- but a billion or so people in Europe, Africa, Central/South America & Asia think otherwise. As Herb says, the migration patterns in the USA seem likely to change the sport's TV ratings in the coming years. Support musicians in need -- join the Music Maker Relief Foundation
Guitone		#11	[-]
(06/30/09 6:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have to put my vote in for Brasil.....no boos now, I have my reasons All things retro, Martin guitars, Rivendell bicycles, Converse Chuck Taylors.
Lefty00042		#12	[-]
(06/30/09 11:04 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	outfidel wrote: Soccer/football/futbol is a great sport to play. Personally, I don't find it great to watch on TV -- but a billion or so people in Europe, Africa, Central/South America & Asia think otherwise. As Herb says, the migration patterns in the USA seem likely to change the sport's TV ratings in the coming years. It's pretty awesome in HD (still not as good as live though). ~ Herb -- D-15 \| HD-28V \| 00-18VS UMGF Custom, #15 \| 000-42 1935 Sunburst \| 000-18 Golden Era 1935 Sunburst LXBlack \| National Reso-Phonic Delphi \| Epi Dot 335-clone \| Agile Al2800 LP-clone \| Fender Standard Telecaster KoAloha Soprano Ukulele \| Glyph Custom Ukulele \| Martin 3 Cherry Ukulele www.angryherb.net
Dave Baird		#13	[-]
(06/30/09 11:08 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just out of interest... Soccer is increasing its global domination, Initiative said, citing a 14 percent increase in the World Cup's global live audience compared with 2002. This year's event had a cumulative 5.9 billion audience in 54 countries, of which 41 percent were women. This was from a report on audience figures for the World Cup tournament in 2006. Dave Ain't it funny...how time slips away (Willie Nelson)
outfidel		#14	[-]
(06/30/09 11:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Lefty00042 wrote: It's pretty awesome in HD (still not as good as live though). Agreed on both counts I do wish they would modify the offsides rule. As it is now, I think it too often penalizes good, coordinated, aggessive offensive team play, and rewards "gaming" by the defenders. Support musicians in need -- join the Music Maker Relief Foundation
Dave Baird		#15	[-]
(06/30/09 12:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As an ex defender and also a midfield player, the springing of an offside trap takes every bit as much skill as any other part of the game. In some respects it can be even more difficult than an offensive manouevre. In offence, players move to get themselves into a scoring position, largely on an individual basis, although the person who will provide the scoring pass has to be hyper aware of his team mates positioning. The defense, however, have to position themselves and then move at the best time to wrong foot the attackers - and they have to do it in consort. In addition, the defenders have to be able to react even quicker if the offside trap is not properly sprung because they then have to get back "goal side" of the attackers to have a chance to stop them scoring. Attackers move to anticipate the ball - defenders move to anticipate other players. Balls have no minds - attackers do (well, some of them do...LOL). The Offside rule is just fine, IMHO. Dave Ain't it funny...how time slips away (Willie Nelson)
outfidel		#16	[-]
(06/30/09 5:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't know, Dave. I played a lot of basketball, and still do. The offense on a fast break is a beautiful thing, and shouldn't be penalized for outmaneuvering their opponent and beating him to the goal/basket. The defense's job should be to stop the opponent from scoring, not to induce the referee to blow his whistle & stop play. btw, didn't FIFA (or whatever the international soccer/football governing body was at the time) put in place the current offsides rule in the 1930s, because there was too much scoring? Support musicians in need -- join the Music Maker Relief Foundation
jaymehime		#17	[-]
(06/30/09 7:31 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dave Baird wrote: an offside trap takes every bit as much skill as any other part of the game. In some respects it can be even more difficult than an offensive manouevre. I agree, playing the offside trap means paying attention to not only the offense but your team mates. It also takes a great amount of trust in your captain and coach. You cannot let your instincts take over when the ball moves. It is wonderful to see when your team sets up a good trap and terrible to see when your offense just meanders across the field watching the ball and not the field. One of my sons coaches used to yell "Hey my son scored a goal" or more infamously, for the same son but aimed at his wife, "Hey Mary your son was offsides again!" "I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch." - George Burns - James
Lefty00042		#18	[-]
(06/30/09 9:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Offsides is the most misunderstood rule in soccer/football/futbol. As the parent of an offensive player, I hate it. But as a fan of the game, I understand it and realize why it's there. If it wasn't, soccer would turn into NBA basketball: all one-on-one long-ball play and little if any coordinated, ball-control team play. ~ Herb -- D-15 \| HD-28V \| 00-18VS UMGF Custom, #15 \| 000-42 1935 Sunburst \| 000-18 Golden Era 1935 Sunburst LXBlack \| National Reso-Phonic Delphi \| Epi Dot 335-clone \| Agile Al2800 LP-clone \| Fender Standard Telecaster KoAloha Soprano Ukulele \| Glyph Custom Ukulele \| Martin 3 Cherry Ukulele www.angryherb.net
moocatdog		#19	[-]
(07/01/09 12:27 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dave probably knows much more about this than I, but I believe that English public schools started organizing what we call soccer in the early 1800's and adapted the offside rule from similar "forward passing" restrictions in rugby. The rule has been changed in many ways over the years, but always to give the offensive players more freedom to attack. For example, changes were made so that players could not be offside on goal kicks, throw ins, or on their own half of the field, etc. In 1925 FIFA did indeed make a significant change to the rule, as Outfidel noted above. However, the change was to decrease the number of defenders attackers had to keep between themselves and the goal from three to two. This change, like the others, allows offensive players to attack more aggressively and was not implemented because they were scoring too many goals. I love soccer and play center-midfield two nights a week year-round, although it seems I may be out for the rest of the summer, as I am sitting here with a bag of ice beneath my left hamstring. :-( Play on, George :-)
Dave Baird		#20	[-]
(07/01/09 2:12 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yup, the offside rule set up by FIFA has indeed come down from 3 to 2 to 0 defenders between the attacker and the goalkeeper - and still attackers whine... If all you want to see is people endlessly scoring, then we should do away with goalkeepers too, and maybe make the goal the same width as the pitch with no limit of height.... In all seriousness - we all go to see goals being scored, but the game is much much bigger than that. Like American Football, there is a massive amount of tactical work involved. In the sixties and seventies, Brazil showed the world how to attack from defence, and changed the face of the game forever. This was the start of the overlapping fullbacks and fed into the European mode of using sweepers - central players who took the ball from defensive players, deep in their own halves and moved the ball forward to the midfielders. In addition, there have always also been players with silky smooth skills - Pele, Di Stefano, Puskas, Matthews, Baxter, Giggs, Torres, Ronaldo, Zidane - the list is endless, and soccer fans have flocked to see them. My Dad attended a European Cup Final in 1953 at Hampden Park in Glasgow to watch Eintracht Frankfurt and Real Madrid. There were 144 000 at the game and the final score was 7-3 to Real Madrid. Both Puskas and Di Stefano were playing, which mostly explains why 140 000+ (mainly Scottish) fans turned up to watch (and many of them ex servicemen who had recently been fighting Germans, or had taken part in the Spanish Civil War in the International Brigade). The one thing that hasn't changed is the fact that attackers still attack, and defenders still defend, and both with far more skill than a decade (or indeed several decades) ago. Herb - for your daughter to become even more of a good attacking player - get her to watch defenders - they use a lot of non verbal communication, and a truly good attacker can see an offside trap in the making. I am sure that in some ways, she already does that, but if she can learn to look for the signs, she will be able to beat the trap and score more often. I find it hard to compare the skills of soccer with basketball. As an outsider, basketball makes no sense to me. It seems way too easy for incredibly tall people to jump in the air and put a ball through a ring. To me, if there was any real skill, the hoop would be higher and also smaller in diameter - then we would see who could really shoot hoops... Before anyone gets on my case, I know that there is more to the game than that, but that is what sticks out to me as a flaw in the game. Watching players endlessly run up and down a court, scoring, more or less at will, seems a little pointless. Just for clarification, the offside rule in association football comes into effect when the ball is passed to an attacking player by one of his own team mates and he receives the ball when the only defender between him and the goal is the goalkeeper, giving him a completely free one on one run at the goalkeeper and the goal. There are exceptions, but let's not muddy the waters. And finally, as a point to ponder - even if you are there to see goals being scored, I wonder if your appreciation of the offside trap would change if the USA were to play Brazil in the World Cup Final and managed to win 3-2 by springing a good offside trap in the final minute of the game, denying Brazil the opportunity to level the scores and go to extra time? Just a thought.... Dave Ain't it funny...how time slips away (Willie Nelson) Last Edited By: Dave Baird 07/01/09 2:17 AM. Edited 2 times.

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