Unexpected overtones on D35

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hoodoo65	Unexpected overtones on D35	Lead	[-]
(11/01/09 10:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None A friend of mine played my '75 D35 in front of me and I heard something wierd: like a flange effect around the lower notes, especially the open E. Strings were new (medium phos. bronze). Now, I can't play my dread without hearing that flange thing. Anyone experienced this before? Thanks!
davejohnh		#1	[-]
(11/01/09 11:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I know that when I capo my '68 D28 on the 7th fret I get a chorus pedal effect like sound! Could be just the individual personality of the guitar.
Topographic		#2	[-]
(11/01/09 11:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ah, the ol' flange thing. Yes, I've heard it, although I've never thought of describing it that way. It seems to kind of churn out of the guitar after it's been played for an exteneded time. Had you guys been playing for more than an hour? 35s have so much going on inside of them sometimes that it's spooky---a lot of low-end stuff mixed with that distinctive 35 treble tone. Very cool. http://www.myspace.com/howardgloria
Eiland	I had it too....	#3	[-]
(11/02/09 4:52 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Once I had this effect (I called it phaser, but I guess we mean the same thing) on my acoustic. It was the first and last time I put Martin strings on my guitar. If you have Martin strings.....I suggest you try something else.....at least that is what happened to me. Sagi
hogwldfltr		#4	[-]
(11/02/09 11:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	OK, what is a flange affect and is something that Beano will take care of? -Lee *********** I've been known to play with the following: '71 D-18 (restored): '06 D-18GE : Backpacker : '82 D-41 : '66 D-35 (restored): '30 2-17 (restored) : '67 00-18C : '44 00-18 : '44 00-17 (restored) : LX-175th : '30s 0 Uke: '20s 2-M Uke (restored): '82 MC-28 : Gibson C-0 Classic : '98 Martin D12-1 : '08 DSM : '80 D-37K : '70 Guild F-112 (restored) : and a '98 Harley-Davidson FLTR Road Glide. Forum intro #992, DON'T TRASH THEM; RESTORE THEM! *********** "What do you all look like?" Post #206
ipick		#5	[-]
(11/02/09 2:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Are you referring to the sound a Flange or Flanger pedal used with electric guitars might make? Drew
HD28HLA		#6	[-]
(11/02/09 6:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	" ..If you have Martin strings.....I suggest you try something else....." Or maybe you weren't holding your mouth right when you put them on. I've been using various Martin strings on my Martins and other guitars for over a dozen years and never had the described "effect." To write the problem off as something caused by a brand of string ignores a lot of other issues that might be more likely to be causing it. Bud A bunch of great Martins (and a pretty nice Guild 12-String)
hoodoo65		#7	[-]
(11/02/09 6:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Phaser makes more sens than flanger... it's even like a slow chorus effect. It does that with all type of strings (John Pearse, D'addarios, etc). It does sound cool, but I wonder if all 35's have this overtone.
gfspencer		#8	[-]
(11/02/09 7:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	hoodoo65 wrote: I wonder if all 35's have this overtone. All of my Martins have overtones . . . not just my D-35. Some more than others. I find it quite nice. 1969 Brazilian Rosewood D-35 2001 D-41DF - Dan Fogelberg 2004 LXM - Little Martin 2008 JC-16ME Maple Aura 2009 Grand J12-40E
davejohnh		#9	[-]
(11/03/09 1:04 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Can you get them with Overdrive, Delay or wah wah?
hogwldfltr		#10	[-]
(11/03/09 11:07 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I sold a 000-28EC; the new buyer remarked how strange it sounded. He brought it to compare with a couple of other ones he was looking at. Turned out he was hearing complex overtones he'd never heard in an acoustic previosly. It sounded the best of the three and hence he liked it and kept it. I might add that these tones can be very addictive. -Lee *********** I've been known to play with the following: '71 D-18 (restored): '06 D-18GE : Backpacker : '82 D-41 : '66 D-35 (restored): '30 2-17 (restored) : '67 00-18C : '44 00-18 : '44 00-17 (restored) : LX-175th : '30s 0 Uke: '20s 2-M Uke (restored): '82 MC-28 : Gibson C-0 Classic : '98 Martin D12-1 : '08 DSM : '80 D-37K : '70 Guild F-112 (restored) : and a '98 Harley-Davidson FLTR Road Glide. Forum intro #992, DON'T TRASH THEM; RESTORE THEM! *********** "What do you all look like?" Post #206
Dadsbones		#11	[-]
(11/03/09 2:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Phase canceling. max
Buck49		#12	[-]
(11/03/09 10:38 PM) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Max, I was thinking phase canceling. Whatever it is, it's not an overtone. Tom Buck
alancline		#13	[-]
(11/03/09 10:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have a room that has a ceiling fan and at some settings I can hardly stand to play one of my rosewood guitars - was driving me a little batty until I figured out what was causing the effect. Maybe something going on in the environment that was affecting yours? Alan Cline Eugene, OR "I Pick, therefore, I Grin!"
Dadsbones		#14	[-]
(11/03/09 11:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Buck49 wrote: Max, I was thinking phase canceling. Whatever it is, it's not an overtone. Here's what I am thinking explains the flanger type effect Sound waves which are exactly in phase add together to produce a stronger wave. Sound waves which are exactly inverted, or 180 degrees out of phase, cancel each other out and produce silence. This is how many noise-cancellation devices work. Sound waves which have varying phase relationships produce differing sound effects. My guess is the overtones that the D35 creates produce many frequencies with varying phase relationships to one another. Sometimes these frequencies cancel each other out. Sometimes they multiplying each other. They are constantly changing their relationship to one another as notes attack and decay and causing this on and off effect. They are most pronounced at certain frequencies (or notes) which explains why they are heard more on the open E and lower frets. I also bet the environment in which the guitar is played heightens the flanging phenomenon. The reflection from surfaces helps create out of phase frequencies. I've heard the effect myself numerous times. I've noticed in older instruments the effect becomes more vibrato -- the phase relationships are more ordered and therefore more pleasing to the ear. For me, it helps explain why some guitars sound so darn good. max
jbbancroft		#15	[-]
(11/04/09 9:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ever have your D-35 inspected for loose bracing? Especially loose back braces. Loose bracing will definitely have an effect on tone, and being the guitar is 34 years old it is a good possibility. Jim

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