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pfittipaldi	Goodalls	Lead	[-]
(05/02/09 2:45 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I'm been looking at an '07 Goodall Trad OM. Anyone have thoughts on this guitar, or Goodalls in general. Thanks, Peter.
sugarinthegourd		#1	[-]
(05/02/09 3:07 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I like their Traditional guitars a lot. Not a totally vintage voice but a cross between that and the more harmonic-rich Goodall voice. They play great too. Really nice neck. They don't seem to hold their value so well for some reason. Gryphon recently had (may still have) a 12-fret 000 slothead at an amazingly low price. John "The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge." - Bertrand Russell "Wisdom, compassion, and courage are the three universally recognized moral qualities of men." - Confucius
n7qx		#2	[-]
(05/02/09 4:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I had the Dread version of the Tradtional Rosewood...It was a very responsive instrument, like fretting butter. A real easy player and a mellow tone... John HD-28 H&D TDM H&D OM
masa		#3	[-]
(05/02/09 6:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I own a Goodall Concert Jumbo and am very happy with it. Very, very well made and very responsive. I agree with the others, that the neck is nice and easy to play. Quite a different sound than a Martin. I would say that my guitar is not loud like a Dread can be, instead it has a beautifully balanced tone across the strings with clear bass and treble and a lot of richness. I am a fingerstlye guitarist, so loud is not really high on my list of things to look for ... but tone and balance are definitely high on my list. I played many, many guitars (Martin, Collings, Larivee, Gibson, SantaCruz, etc., etc.) over two years before selecting a Goodall. And I do own Martin as well. I have to disagree with Jon (sugarinthegourd) on Goodall guitars not holding value. Check out Buffalo Brothers used selection of Goodalls - they are almost the same price as the new ones. masa
Madisonian		#4	[-]
(05/02/09 11:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've played lots of Goodalls, and think they are special. So are Martins, but different. When I try a Martin I'm looking for great tonal quality, resonance and sustain - on guard against over braced, tight or otherwise less responsive examples. And the neck needs some attention, too - I don't get along as well with some. When I try a Goodall, OTOH, I know the resonance and sustain will always be there. And I always love his necks - they seem "roomy" for the same 1 3/4," and I suspect there is a touch more radius than stock Martins. The tonal quality still can vary considerably with different tonewoods and examples, like Martins. But what I'm on guard for with Goodalls is the excessively boomy or unrestrained examples whose overtones tend to fall over each other in a jumbled mess. It's a fine line. I'm not sure I've ever felt a Goodall was tight or over braced. My favorite models are the TROM and Grand Concert (a smaller body as opposed to the Concert Jumbo). The three finest I've ever played were two GC cutaways with Italian Spruce, one over EIR, the other MadRose (I now regret very much that I didn't buy one of these two) - and a Braz/Red Spruce TROM (too rich$$ or I'd have it). Close behind were several EIR/Red Spruce TROM's. Evan 1974 D-28S, 1999 Larrivee L-02, 2005 000-28VS, 2005 Larrivee 000-50, 2006 0MC Fingerstyle 1, 2005 000C-16SRNE, 2006 000-18GE, 2003 OM-18GE, 2008 M-38 Custom, 2008 175th LXM
jscio		#5	[-]
(05/03/09 6:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Goodall OM's are excellent guitars. I've had the good fortune to play three or four and they were all excellent. Great playability and overall sound.
MadtownMark		#6	[-]
(05/03/09 8:35 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	But what I'm on guard for with Goodalls is the excessively boomy or unrestrained examples whose overtones tend to fall over each other in a jumbled mess. It's a fine line. I'm not sure I've ever felt a Goodall was tight or over braced. My favorite models are the TROM and Grand Concert (a smaller body as opposed to the Concert Jumbo). I concur on this point. I owned a Goodall GC (ADI/HOG) for a while... but over time found it TOO lush and overtoney for the style of music I was playing (bluesier/folksier). The notes would just bash into each other and hang in the air until tomorrow... a GOOD thing for sensitive fingerstyle. I have played some smaller body Goodalls in the TRAD style that did knock me out. They are an acquired taste, but beautiful instruments "it's a sad and beautiful world." - from Down By Law (Jim Jarmusch) '08 David Newton 'Sabine' (00) Johnson JG535S campfire beater Deering Goodtime Banjo
jscio		#7	[-]
(05/03/09 8:48 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have to disagree. The Goodalls I've had the pleasure of playing have been nicely balanced and in possession of "the sound" that you look for.
sugarinthegourd		#8	[-]
(05/03/09 9:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	MadtownMark wrote: over time found it TOO lush and overtoney for the style of music I was playing (bluesier/folksier). The notes would just bash into each other and hang in the air until tomorrow... a GOOD thing for sensitive fingerstyle. That's EXACTLY why I sold my TR-000. Much as I loved it, it sounded too rich and sustain-y for the folk/blues music I play. But boy, it sounded and played great. "The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge." - Bertrand Russell "Wisdom, compassion, and courage are the three universally recognized moral qualities of men." - Confucius
masa		#9	[-]
(05/04/09 12:25 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Madisonian - wow. Great post. That is exactly how I feel about Martin and Goodall. masa Last Edited By: masa 05/04/09 12:27 AM. Edited 1 times.
pfittipaldi		#10	[-]
(05/04/09 11:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for all the input, it's been helpful. Now, the other guitar that is in my top consider-list, has been the Martin Juber OMC, the model with madagascar rosewood w/adi-top. Does it make sense to try to compare these two guitars, the Goodall TradOM, and this Martin? Thanks. Peter.
Short Balding Guy		#11	[-]
(05/04/09 12:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Peter; I understand the question of comparing the TROM Goodall to the Juber (madi/adi). I own a Goodall TROMc ('04 ER/Sitka) and owned for a short time a Juber (madi/adi). I opin below about the guitars. I play acoustic blues music most of the time. The music that I most enjoy is a fat tone with a hint of warmth in the bass. Not so many partials that the bass notes are loud but loose distinction. The bass sound must be more immediate than delayed or "boomed." The bass noteds on the Goodall can be changed and have a large range of options. The trebles must have a bright sparkle with some fatness to the sound. Not shimmery and brittle. The TROM allowes me to mute the bass and get a sharper, immediate muted bass sound. This is more like the big foot stomping drum in the drum set. I like that I can get the clear and the bumf sound with just changing technique. The trebles can be strocked to get more shimmer or tinkle, but the Goodall allows them to be snapped and you get a jumping melody. I have found that strings on the TROMc have made a huge difference. I am playing a Curt Mangan PB 12-54 and enjoy the more fundamental tone they allow. For many string changes I loved the newtone pb masterclass (Guitar Gallery custom sets). Lately as I have been playing more Blind Boy Fuller stuff I wanted less a less "tingly sound" hence the string change. When at Chirstmas I needed to play holiday songs and some classical pieces -out came the Newtones. The Goodall is set-up like a champ. The fretboard radius and the c shaped neck works wonders for me. No fatigue cramps from pushing or gripping. The Juber was a guitar that I had trouble getting a set-up I enjoyed. I ended up with re-dressing frets, leveling the fretboard, adjusting the nut/bridge and having the neck finish touched up at a local luthier's (here in MPLS.). This was on a new guitar. Granted I am particular in the set-up and playability, but the work did not make sense on such a fine Martin instrument. Picky or an abnormal instrument aside the sound had an immediate sound with a shimmery edge. The Mad. wood combo'd guitar sounded so rich compared to the other Juber models I sampled. I found that the rich sound was pleasing to my ears, but I had more challenges playing the guitar within the blues songs and sounds that I wished to hear come from my hands. I loved the rich sound in the shop and them found it harder to control, in my music, at home. The local pros (blues/jazz and folk) here in MPLS play a variety of brands(Ryan, Goodalls, Martins, HD's, Collings, Nationals, etc.). It has been my learning from these folks, that the player can draw the "special sounds" they desire to hear out of many of the different brands. I admit that on occassion I have been questioned or hear comments on my "blues Goodall." I work to show them that my novice hands and heart can still play quality, entertaining blues songs on this or my other guitars. I hope the above helps. Best, Eric -
Short Balding Guy		#12	[-]
(05/04/09 12:29 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Peter; Another consideration for your search is the Martin Grossman model. I played a couple local examples and thought that they were excellent guitars that rivaled the Goodall TROM for appealing sound on Blind Blake songs. I would have loved to sit in a room and alternate playing my songs on these two models. The set-ups were more appealing and would require less tweaking than I previousely mentioned. I have wondered what Blind Lemon Jefferson songs in general or the contrast between Untrue Blues (Blind Boy Fuller) would sound like. Naked fingers or thumb/finger picks worked well. I may just have to arrange some playing time at our local guitar botique. All the best, Eric -
Dulope		#13	[-]
(07/03/09 1:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	A Goodall 000 might be a little to colorful of tone for blues and ragtime - Take a look at the Goodall parlor ... it's actually a 00 size with 14 frets to the body in a 25" scale - The smaller box moves less air so the overtoines are less dominent and you still get that Goodall wave of sound going out but tighter balamce and string seperation ------------------------------------------------- Collings 01sb ~ Goodall AKP-14 ~ National Resorocket - Gibson CF-100e ________________________________ "Buy used and buy often"
magictwanger		#14	[-]
(07/03/09 5:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I played the heck out of a lovely OM last winter.I just kept coming back to it,at my local dealer.Goodall makes a great instrument,IMO.
pauljcat		#15	[-]
(07/03/09 9:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I prefer Goodalls and Lowdens on fingerstyle to any other guitars. Go to the website Dream Guitars, and look under Previously Sold Instruments, they will have an archive of many guitars. If you compare those two brands to the rest they have more overtones and sound so much more alive. I prefer Lowden but Goods are as good.
scarab100		#16	[-]
(07/03/09 10:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If you like the sound of the Goodall Traditional OM, you will also like the GC. They are the same guitar, except for cosmetics. I currently have an Adi/Maple GC that is a wonderful instrument. Warren
Andre Guitar		#17	[-]
(07/04/09 5:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dulope wrote: Take a look at the Goodall parlor ... it's actually a 00 size with 14 frets to the body in a 25" scale - I personally think that's his best sounding model. Actually, I can't say I've ever tried a Goodall I didn't like. They're very fine guitars. But the last Grand Concert I played was a strange experience. It was a used model, and the relatively low price caught my eye, so I grabbed it off the rack. It played really nicely and I was blown away by its lush sound. But after a while, I realized it was just "too much". I had heard the expression "a guitar on steroids" before, but I had never experienced it. This was the one! A lot of people like that about a guitar, but I personally think it just makes it harder to control than necessary. I like a rich sound too, but the guitar has to be more tight fisted in how it hands it out. Other larger bodies Goodalls I've played had that same tendency, although not as pronounced. Goodall's parlor, on the other hand, was a lot closer to ideal. Huge sound, out of such a small box, resonant but much tighter and balanced across the strings. James Goodall is a fine builder, and very responsive to his clients. (I had contacted him once on a potential custom build). So, I'm sure he could build one to taste if need be. But generally speaking, his guitars tend towards the lush and resonant end of the spectrum, which may or may not be ideal depending on your playing goals. Definitely worth playing before buying, if you are able to do that. Best regards, Andre
dhcrow		#18	[-]
(07/04/09 9:52 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I love my TR-000. Plenty of sustain and great overtones. Hard to keep it tamed but when it works, it's a beautiful sound. So much fun to play. I keep it strung with Elixers. "Martin guitars - just try to buy one!" Everything you do shapes our future! Be careful out there! Crow
DarrellTriple0		#19	[-]
(07/12/09 9:40 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That's not the one from the Emporium, is it Dennis? Or is it the Goodall you mentioned you already owned? I took a trip back, after our visit, to do a little more Goodall testing! Beautiful as they are, I just couldn't find one that didn't strike me as being too lush, for what I play. Darrell 000-28GE

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