ToneRite Experiment Begins...........

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desaljs		#21	[-]
(06/28/09 8:11 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Update: I am finished with the Larrivee Parlor. I believe it helped to make it more resonant. Next up, is my new Martin custom O-28. I will "vibrate" it for a week, then see how she sounds.................. Jim D
Baer Mahogany		#22	[-]
(06/28/09 11:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jim, do you start with new stings? Does it matter? Just curious. I realize you would play it before and after regardless of sting age. Do the instructions suggest one over the other?
Garry	ToneRite .... sounds like Viagra for guitars	#23	[-]
(06/28/09 12:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Gonna compose a Viva! ToneRite ditty if it works?
Ozark1951		#24	[-]
(06/28/09 12:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thats a rediculous amount of money for a vibrator. I'm just a rolling stone, down the lost highway. Martin D18VS, Recording King RD 227 Red Bear Picks
desaljs		#25	[-]
(06/28/09 3:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The strings on the Martin were fairly new, so I did not change them. And I would do the before and after comparison with the same strings. In terms of the price paid for a vibrator...........depends on what it is use for! Jim D
vinylforever		#26	[-]
(06/28/09 11:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	desaljs wrote: In terms of the price paid for a vibrator...........depends on what it is use for! Jim D Agree - relative to the four or five digit amount that many spent on guitars, this is a relatively small amount. If it can improve one's playing enjoyment (guitars sounding better, and earlier so), why not? Anyway, the point of the original post is to report on whether Tonerite works, not to debate on its price. And then, if one doesn't like its price tag, there is always the option of DIYing one. Jim D: would love to know more about what it does to your custom 0-28. William Martin: HD-28, 000-28 Norman Blake; Gibson: Custom SJ-200; Yamaha: FG-580, FG-340
desaljs		#27	[-]
(06/29/09 8:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	William, The Custom O-28 is getting the treatment right now. I am going to leave it on until the end of the week, and will post some impressions then. Thanks for the interest. I realize that many foks here might think this is all a waste of time and money. That might be so, but I am willing to give it a go. I think we all agree that playing the instrument is the best way to open it up. The wood needs to vibrate, and the ToneRite does that. I am fortunate to have a few instruments, and I can only play one at a time, so I hope this will give the ones that get less playing time a head start. Jim D
mikelk57	Tonerite and 0-28	#28	[-]
(10/21/09 1:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jim, Just curious since I am thinking about getting a tonerite myself. It has been nearly four months and no update. How did the 0-28 sound after treatement? thanks, Mike
kozsak9		#29	[-]
(10/26/09 1:03 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm curious also....
bjewell		#30	[-]
(10/26/09 3:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah... All I have to vibrate my 18A is this friggin' guitar pick!
desaljs		#31	[-]
(10/27/09 7:58 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sorry.........I lost track of this post. I have been following a few other ToneRite posts. In terms of my 0-28, I did notice a more open and resonant sound. I feel this guitar needs more time with the ToneRite. I have noticed that the ToneRite seems to have a more dramatic effect on stiffer wood, and larger instruments. Adi and Italian spruce really changed after a week. I'm not as sure about sitka. The Larrivee Parlor I treated is gone. I traded that one away. Even after a week of ToneRite, I still did not like it. No amount of treatment would have helped it, to my ears. So, I am going to treat the 0-28 for another full week. I just have to get around to setting it up. Jim D
sangemon		#32	[-]
(10/27/09 8:55 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This thread makes me think of P.T. Barnum. Tom My fingers don't hurt anymore, I just can't feel anything with them. Guitars: 2009 Martin Grand J12-40E Special, 2009 Martin 000-15S, 2006 Martin 00-18VS UMGF Custom #58, 1998 Martin HD-35, 1994 Martin HD-28, 1968 Martin D12-35, 2009 Taylor 814-CE, 2008 Gibson Les Paul Traditional, Yamaha FG 730S Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Ultrasound AG50DS4
kyluckyman		#33	[-]
(10/27/09 6:41 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I get the idea the device vibrates. This simulates use and after severals days, you are simulating several years of play on the guitar; presumably speeding the aging/opening of the instrument. Am I on track?? I wonder if C.F. Martin has worked with these devices? Does anyone know?
McCawber		#34	[-]
(10/27/09 6:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I agree with the previous poster who suggested it will make more of a difference on a red spruce top. I used it on all of my guitars for a minium of 6 days -- the difference in the GE was very noticable - much more responsive and better volume. It also made a bit of a difference in the other sitka topped guitars, but not as much of an improvement in volume. Couldn't tell any significant difference in my 42 year old D-28. I lent mine to the guys at Janet Davis Music to see if the could do a little indepedent study. They tried it out on a brand new HD-28V that they said was very tight and they reported that the ToneRite did help it open up fairly well. I'm a believer. McCawber "We are all bozos on this bus . . . " 1967 D-28 (Still on warranty . . . . ) // 1988 Guild J-65-12 // 2003 D-42 // 2004 J-41 Special // 2006 D-18GE burst // 2004 LX1 // 2006 HD-28V burst // 1968 home made Mastertone // 2007 Stelling Bellflower // HJ-40 (under construction) // 2006 Epiphone Mando // Forum Introduction # 1248
kozsak9		#35	[-]
(10/28/09 9:18 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	McCawber wrote: I agree with the previous poster who suggested it will make more of a difference on a red spruce top. I used it on all of my guitars for a minium of 6 days -- the difference in the GE was very noticable - much more responsive and better volume. I believe that the tonerite will work as advertised. However, I have yet to see anyone claim that the effect is permanent. I sort of compare it to warming up for 20 minutes before the guitar starts to loosen up. Have you noticed a permanent change in the way the GE sounds without using the tonerite? If yes, does the "loosening" effect diminish after a few days, weeks, etc...?
Hamjack		#36	[-]
(10/28/09 12:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	kozsak9 wrote: McCawber wrote: I agree with the previous poster who suggested it will make more of a difference on a red spruce top. I used it on all of my guitars for a minium of 6 days -- the difference in the GE was very noticable - much more responsive and better volume. I believe that the tonerite will work as advertised. However, I have yet to see anyone claim that the effect is permanent. I sort of compare it to warming up for 20 minutes before the guitar starts to loosen up. Have you noticed a permanent change in the way the GE sounds without using the tonerite? If yes, does the "loosening" effect diminish after a few days, weeks, etc...? I'm comparing notes with a friend who has been using the tonerite for quite a while now. He claims there is no "slip back" when the process is discontinued. He notes continued improvement with perhaps diminishing additional returns after the 2nd and 3rd 72 hour treatments.
kozsak9		#37	[-]
(10/28/09 12:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Hamjack. The results you got with your D18A, and others on the D18GE, really piqued my interest.
McCawber		#38	[-]
(10/28/09 4:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I agree with you Hamjack - I have noticed no slipback that I can tell. Although, that may be a unfair assumption as I've been playing the GE a lot more since treatment. I keep it by my easy chair in a Hercules stand for an easy grab when I put a book down or tire of what's on the boob tube. As a result it probably gets at least an hour or two every day - which may also be preventing slip back. I do agree that after the intial treatment, you don't seem to get quite as much out of additional treatments. McCawber "We are all bozos on this bus . . . " 1967 D-28 (Still on warranty . . . . ) // 1988 Guild J-65-12 // 2003 D-42 // 2004 J-41 Special // 2006 D-18GE burst // 2004 LX1 // 2006 HD-28V burst // 1968 home made Mastertone // 2007 Stelling Bellflower // HJ-40 (under construction) // 2006 Epiphone Mando // Forum Introduction # 1248
Todd Stuart Phillips		#39	[-]
(11/02/09 12:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Even without the results posted here I would have said that a) it sounded like it should work in principle and b) it would likely work best with new guitars that had large, tight tops, like the GE series. I found this thread by searching on Google for "Tonerite reviews" because I was thinking of getting one to break in my Adirondack topped guitars, which could certainly use it. The man who introduced the UMGF to the top vibrator technique was one of the original moderators, named Alan, but his last name escapes me at the moment. He had a particular kind of massager that had suction cups on it. He would stick two of these onto the guitar top and swore they did an amazing job. Several other people tried it out and were also reported very good results. But one person left it on over night and ended up with a marred finish, with circles embedded into it from the rubber suction cups. This led to a big to do, where the party of the second part thought the party of the first part should be held responsible, etc, etc. This Tonerite machine seems to follow the same principle, for slightly more money and a lot less change of ending up with a guitar that looks like it was attacked by a giant squid. $150 does not seem like a lot of money if it really works. Might help a shop keeper sell a lot of guitars a lot faster. Sat. Oct. 24 - Daytime Open Mic at Freddy's in Brooklyn! Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. - Dr. Seuss
hawgadi		#40	[-]
(11/02/09 6:43 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So far at least, this is the definitive thread on the Tonerite. Lots of good data: http://collingsforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/94760485/m/941101681/p/1 Here's why I love playing the guitar!

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