Look at this old turtle!

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plaintop	Look at this old turtle!	Lead	[-]
(05/31/09 3:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Does anyone know what the legal aspects of owning something like this are? IT IS NOT MINE! I saw it at an antique flea market and thought, wow, is that legal and secondly.... look at all the picks! http://www.myspace.com/brianandmoira
littlewingsn		#1	[-]
(05/31/09 3:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont know anything about the legality. Maybe our resident lawyer (JT) will chime in . Brian , just out of curiosity , how much were they asking for it? I will admit that when I am at flea markets I keep my eye out for old combs and whatnot , but seeing the animal like that in its whole form would make me think differently about chopping it up for picks . They really are gorgeous animals . Sean
plaintop		#2	[-]
(05/31/09 4:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hey Sean, my Blackberry camera did no justice here. This animal was very beautiful. It was old, probably caught and stuffed a very long time ago. It was dried out and brittle, many of the top shells were falling out, and it looked like somebody glued a main one back in. http://www.myspace.com/brianandmoira
No457 Snowy		#3	[-]
(05/31/09 4:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jeez, what a sad ending for a creature that Mother Nature designed to outlive all of us. Snowy
Buck		#4	[-]
(05/31/09 4:18 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Legalities aside, if I had been there, it would be in my basement at this very moment. Todd
HD28 Player		#5	[-]
(05/31/09 6:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I just saw one like that a couple weeks ago....in a showcase at the Calgary, Alberta Airport....showing illegal items. There were also alligator heads, eagle feathers, and some funky stuff from the Orient, but that tortise was a thing of beauty. I sure don't know if it'd be legal to own it, but you sure couldn't cross the border with it legally.
PICKITLUTHER		#6	[-]
(05/31/09 7:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd like to attach some styrofoam to the bottom of that sucker and float him in my pool., my lab puppy would have a ball with it !
jscio		#7	[-]
(05/31/09 8:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Personally, I'd prefer it if they stuffed collectors and sold them at flea markets.
Imapickn		#8	[-]
(05/31/09 9:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't know what kind of Turtle that is ... It looks like a sea turtle, but maybe it's not an endangered species.. Maybe it's at least legal to own such a carcass... Who knows.. But .... I don't think Turtle shells make very good picks ... Now, their cousin, the Tortoise, ... his shell made darn good plectrums.... Just not for me ... (I use thumb-picks) ima
Loreto		#9	[-]
(05/31/09 10:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's a hawksbill Turtle, an endangered sea turtle and the source of so-called "tortoise shell" guitar picks, as well as combs, eyeglass frames and many other decorative items. I saw one today, out fishing on the Sea of Cortez where I live. It's the fifth consecutive trip out on the water I've seen a turtle, my best streak in the 8 years I've been here. But when I was a kid, in the early 60s, I saw hundreds a day. Today they are still killed here for black market food, despite legal protections. Politicians especially like to eat turtle. (Really!) Legal netting and longlining kills far more, and beach development takes it's toll. They are listed as Schedule 1 on the CITES list, like Brazilian rosewood. I don't know local law but I know you cannot take them across the border and they do look for turtle products.
Buck		#10	[-]
(06/01/09 6:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Imapickn wrote: But .... I don't think Turtle shells make very good picks ... Now, their cousin, the Tortoise, ... his shell made darn good plectrums.... Just not for me ... (I use thumb-picks) "Tortoise shell" is a misnomer. Anything vintage billed as "tortoise shell" is actually from the Hawksbill sea turtle, or celluloid simulating the look. Todd
jscio		#11	[-]
(06/01/09 6:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"Politicians especially like to eat turtle. (Really!)" Really ? So who might these politicans be?
No457 Snowy		#12	[-]
(06/01/09 7:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Some more trivia: Turtles live in the Sea and some in Fresh Water. Tortoises live on almost entirely on land. 200 Million+ years on the Planet - ain't a bad effort. Snowy
Imapickn		#13	[-]
(06/01/09 8:56 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wow, .. I did not know that .... Thanks for the valuable information, Loreto and Buck. And all this time I thought when they said, "Tortoises" .. they meant Tortoises ... I learned something new, today.. ima
plaintop		#14	[-]
(06/01/09 5:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What would something like this be worth? http://www.myspace.com/brianandmoira
littlewingsn		#15	[-]
(06/01/09 6:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	in picks? There is no telling how many picks could be made from that . Maybe 200 plus ( hard to tell from a picture maybe a lot more ) at $20 each , but I think thats were the legality issue pops up . I wish JT would weigh in on this . How much are they asking for this ?
d18dc		#16	[-]
(06/01/09 6:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	plaintop wrote: What would something like this be worth? Ten to twenty is my guess. Mike
That One Guy		#17	[-]
(06/01/09 10:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As much as I hate to say this, that's so much more beautiful than a thousand picks could ever be. I've seen the hawksbill turtle before (underwater), but for some reason, that stuffed version with a proverbial deli tray of picks on it's back really changes my perspective....Hmmmm..... -Andy 2008 Martin HD-28 "Helga" 2000 Martin D-18 "Big Mama" "Music is the silence between the notes." -Debussy
Jay Keller		#18	[-]
(06/02/09 1:01 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm someone who might like to try a real tortoise shell pick, but no way would I ever cut up that beautifully-preserved animal to make guitar picks. - Jay OM-35, M-18VME Custom, *1928 5-17T Tenor, S-O Uke,* 1950 000-18, OM-30 DB Pat Donohue** Please visit my website: www.jaykeller.com
jscio		#19	[-]
(06/02/09 7:46 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"200 Million+ years on the Planet - ain't a bad effort." Yeah but guitar players really need those picks so they - the Hawksbills - better watch their backs..............Literally. Maybe guitar weenies can get them to give up their shells for a nice Brooks Brothers suit and life on a government supplied reservation. Someplace near a nice oil rig where the propertiy values are down and no other sea life wishes to live.
llamov		#20	[-]
(06/02/09 10:04 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This old guy belongs in the ocean, not some shop. If my own 60+ years on this planet have taught me anything, it's that creatures like this turtle value their lives as much as we value ours. Probably even more than we value our flatpicks.

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