Henderson dread at Dream Guitars

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clucking	Henderson dread at Dream Guitars	Lead	[-]
(01/28/09 5:18 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Don't tell Allen about this one: 25k
D18RC		#1	[-]
(01/28/09 6:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That's pretty, but if Brazilian isn't to your liking, you can go the Indian Rosewood route ($14,500): http://www.gruhn.com/photo/AM6652.jpg rc
1948D18		#2	[-]
(01/28/09 6:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, that would not be good. Will be interesting to see how long that one lasts. 2007 D-18A / 1957 D-18 / 2000 D-28GE / 1967 D-28 / 1969 D-28 / 1966 O-16NY / 1928 O-18K / 1966 00-18 / 000X1 / Felix
streethound		#3	[-]
(01/28/09 10:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That is one pretty top but 25k ? Holy cow that's pricey for a non-vintage guitar. 23' Style A - 40' 0-15 - 46' 00-18 - 47' 000-21 - 48'/08' D-28 - 50' 00-17
Tennbidder		#4	[-]
(01/28/09 11:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If I had the dough, I grab it at $25K. I wouldn't take that for my number 380. Last Edited By: Tennbidder 01/28/09 11:55 PM. Edited 1 times.
granmamou		#5	[-]
(01/29/09 4:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	clucking wrote: Don't tell Allen about this one: 25k Who's Allen?
aml1000		#6	[-]
(01/29/09 7:03 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Doesn't Mr. Henderson sell these for far, far less? I recall reading that he charges relatively little for his guitars (under $2000, with lots of variables, of course.) My point is that it seems a little shameless of someone, particularly considering that this guitar was only completed two years ago, to turn around and sell it for such a large increase in value. Clearly, Henderson could sell his guitars for far more if he chose to; this appears a bit of a slap in the face to him and his generous beliefs which cause him to sell his amazing instruments for a relatively low price. There's plenty I don't know about Mr. Henderson and this sale, but based on my very limited knowledge, the above is my reaction based on the observations of a fairly new guitar that someone seems to be turning around for a substantial profit. Alex D-18 GE, Les Paul Studio, a couple others.
YorkshireD28		#7	[-]
(01/29/09 7:09 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	aml1000 wrote: Doesn't Mr. Henderson sell these for far, far less? I recall reading that he charges relatively little for his guitars (under $2000, with lots of variables, of course.) My point is that it seems a little shameless of someone, particularly considering that this guitar was only completed two years ago, to turn around and sell it for such a large increase in value. Clearly, Henderson could sell his guitars for far more if he chose to; this appears a bit of a slap in the face to him and his generous beliefs which cause him to sell his amazing instruments for a relatively low price. There's plenty I don't know about Mr. Henderson and this sale, but based on my very limited knowledge, the above is my reaction based on the observations of a fairly new guitar that someone seems to be turning around for a substantial profit. Now we don't want any of that Bolshie talk here, thank you very much. Someone will make a big profit for doing $&*& all. That's what made our countries great! Yorkie Last Edited By: YorkshireD28 01/29/09 7:12 AM. Edited 1 times.
Fingerstyle2		#8	[-]
(01/29/09 7:36 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Who's Allen? Allen St. John (UMGF member avincent52) the above is my reaction based on the observations of a fairly new guitar that someone seems to be turning around for a substantial profit. Some of the people who have sold their Hendersons for much more than they paid have quietly split (or offered to split) the proceeds with Wayne. I have no idea what the situation is with the guitars linked to above. David
Buck		#9	[-]
(01/29/09 8:25 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	aml1000 wrote: Doesn't Mr. Henderson sell these for far, far less? I recall reading that he charges relatively little for his guitars (under $2000, with lots of variables, of course.) My point is that it seems a little shameless of someone, particularly considering that this guitar was only completed two years ago, to turn around and sell it for such a large increase in value. Clearly, Henderson could sell his guitars for far more if he chose to; this appears a bit of a slap in the face to him and his generous beliefs which cause him to sell his amazing instruments for a relatively low price. There's plenty I don't know about Mr. Henderson and this sale, but based on my very limited knowledge, the above is my reaction based on the observations of a fairly new guitar that someone seems to be turning around for a substantial profit. I have no inside knowledge of Mr. Henderson's business practices, but I assume he knows this goes on. If he wanted to change it, I assume he would. Todd
Sloppy Picker		#10	[-]
(01/29/09 8:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That is a well named store (Drean Guitars) nice site-I really like the sound clips from Al Petteway! 06 OM-28V, Alvarez-Yairi DY-41(1983)
aml1000		#11	[-]
(01/29/09 9:08 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fingerstyle2 wrote: Who's Allen? Allen St. John (UMGF member avincent52) the above is my reaction based on the observations of a fairly new guitar that someone seems to be turning around for a substantial profit. Some of the people who have sold their Hendersons for much more than they paid have quietly split (or offered to split) the proceeds with Wayne. I have no idea what the situation is with the guitars linked to above. David This is good to know. I can also imagine a situation where someone had Mr. Henderson's blessings to raise money in such a way. I can further imagine situations where this is someone-who-should-know-better, giving in to the temptation of $. Hey, I'm just a guy passing uninformed hypothetical judgment, the way of the world (and another one of those mornings). Alex D-18 GE, Les Paul Studio, a couple others.
Tennbidder		#12	[-]
(01/29/09 9:12 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This topic comes up from time to time. For all the previously discussed reasons on this board, I feel very fortunate to have a couple of Wayne's guitars. He made them both at my request (over the course of 25 years or so) and we negotiated a fair price. I agree that once the guitar is in the hands of the new owner, it is theirs to do with as they see fit. However, for someone to beg, plead, cajole or whatever and then quickly turn around (the guitar in question was delivered in 2007) and sell it, stinks. Sure, folks can fall on hard times and need the money. I think that is rarely the case, though, when these things change hands. And Wayne has only VERY rarely gotten a cut when one of his instruments sells on the secondary market. He considers it as polite favor and certainly does not feel entitled to it. Here's my philosophy on instruments................once you sell it, in a year's time you won't have the money OR the guitar!
OKonrad		#13	[-]
(01/29/09 1:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	First, I couldn't agree with Tennbidder's last comment more. Second, I am a very recent recipient/purchaser of one of Wayne's extraordinary guitars (#441) and can attest that I am only in that fortunate circumstance as a consequence of my friendship with Wayne. Obviously, to turn around and sell the guitar under those circumstances would be inconsistent with our friendship, and I have no intention of ever doing it. All that having been said, not everyone gets a Wayne guitar under my circumstances. Some are made and sold on a more arms length basis, in which case I don't see any real affront to Wayne if the buyer turns around and resells. (I can't say what Wayne's view would be though). Bottom line, I wouldn't assume anything inappropriate is happening here, or that Wayne is being taken advantage of. But to circle back to Tennbidder's last comment, once the Henderson is sold, you are left with some money that in due course will be gone and no guitar. Not a place I want to be Last Edited By: OKonrad 01/29/09 2:39 PM. Edited 2 times.
nitram selur		#14	[-]
(01/29/09 10:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Meanwhile, most of us can only dream of finding ourselves in such a moral predicament; personally my real dilemma would be deciding which grandchild to pass it on to.
Hendo417		#15	[-]
(02/01/09 12:55 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've had my Henderson (#417) for exactly 1 year now. I can't imagine selling it for $25,000 and not feeling guilty. Wayne is a great guy and my friend, and if circumstances forced me to sell my guitar, it would be done with Wayne's blessing and he would share in the profits, but that's just me. This is a tough issue for sure. Wayne knows that this goes on, but believes in his heart that when the sale takes place that the buyer isn't going to flip it for big money. I think that buying a Henderson will continue to get harder and harder as time goes on. Wayne is getting older, he has many close friends that are still waiting for one of his beauty's and the more he hears of these "flip sale" deals, the less motivated he'll be to sell to a stranger (my opinion only, I do not speak for Wayne). I think that under a dire situation (unemployment, illness etc.), Wayne certainly understands why re-sales are made with his guitars. Also, he understands that people are not going to sell a Henderson for $3k if they can get $20k for it (obviously). I guess the moral issue continues to be "should the re-sale profits be shared with Wayne"? I think they should, but only the seller can decide to do that or not. Enjoy Superbowl Sunday all and GO STEELERS!
Michael Segui		#16	[-]
(02/01/09 10:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hey guys... thread hijack here... but please post pics of your Hendersons on this thread: http://theunofficialmarti...ku.com/topic/73499?page=2 Cheers, Mike Michael Segui Est. 1974 "I too was once penniless."
HIGHDESERTDAVE		#17	[-]
(02/01/09 2:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tennbidder wrote: Here's my philosophy on instruments................once you sell it, in a year's time you won't have the money OR the guitar! i like it !. i'm going to remember that one. thanks.
Michael Segui		#18	[-]
(02/01/09 5:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tennbidder wrote: Here's my philosophy on instruments................once you sell it, in a year's time you won't have the money OR the guitar! I can attest to THAT!!!! But sometimes the kids crying for food and heat just gets too darn annoying! Michael Segui Est. 1974 "I too was once penniless."
kcoyner		#19	[-]
(02/01/09 7:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Anyone know what the wait time is at Wayne's shop right now? k
bfisher690		#20	[-]
(02/01/09 9:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As an owner of two of Wayne's guitars and as a friend of his, I can say the following about the sale of this guitar: -It is probably in poor taste (but who knows the real situation). -Wayne probably didn't see a dime from this sale. -The seller can sell his guitar for whatever he likes (morals aside- VERY far aside). -Wayne probably doesn't care a whole lot (although who knows?). He sells to people he likes, though he doesn't hook you up to a polygraph. He does this for very little money. If you sell, you probably won't have another Henderson (the ultimate price to pay!) Yet, there has been a tone in these past threads of moral superiority whenever anyone sells a Henderson. I'm glad to see that disappearing. It's a guitar. Wayne doesn't seem to waste his time worrying about people making a profit, and maybe we shouldn't either. The seller needs to live with his decision and what that may do to his friendship with a really good guy. BTW, my second Henderson was sold to me by a friend for what he paid for it. To me, that is the way to respect Wayne. But, then again, who am I? ; ) And finally, I would never sell either guitar. My freindship with him is wrapped up in these "things". Also, I could never find another new or old guitar to match these two. I can't say enough about how good his guitars really are. He deserves his hype. This sale, at its best, will give a new owner a chance to do what the previous one failed at- to own and play one of the greatest guitars in the land ; ) This person, hopefeully, will develop a relationship with Wayne. Maybe a happy ending after all... Brian

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