The advantages of today's youth

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pickledpeppers	The advantages of today's youth	Lead	[-]
(01/04/09 2:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I was recently playing the 5 string banjo, and then picked up my guitar, while I still had the fingerpicks on. After a few minutes, I revisited Leo Kottke's "The Driving of the Year Nail," something I hadn't tried to play in more than a few decades. Wondering if I had it "right," I went to the old LP, and listened to it on scratchy vinyl, then I download the iTune to the computer, and then for the first time, I entered to world of online "TAB," something that wasn't available in the mid-70's. Back then, you lifted the needle and set it back down, and listened very carefully, and did your best, and tried not to scratch up your record. I got pretty good at it, and figured out a lot of his stuff, but man o' man, kids today would have it so easy! It is plumb flat out given to you! I wish I was 13 again!
pickledpeppers		#1	[-]
(01/04/09 2:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Now, I think I'll look for the TAB to "Blue Dot." I never could figure out where to even begin with that tune.
NevadaPic		#2	[-]
(01/04/09 8:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	pickledpeppers wrote: I was recently playing the 5 string banjo, and then picked up my guitar, while I still had the fingerpicks on. After a few minutes, I revisited Leo Kottke's "The Driving of the Year Nail," something I hadn't tried to play in more than a few decades. Wondering if I had it "right," I went to the old LP, and listened to it on scratchy vinyl, then I download the iTune to the computer, and then for the first time, I entered to world of online "TAB," something that wasn't available in the mid-70's. Back then, you lifted the needle and set it back down, and listened very carefully, and did your best, and tried not to scratch up your record. I got pretty good at it, and figured out a lot of his stuff, but man o' man, kids today would have it so easy! It is plumb flat out given to you! I wish I was 13 again! Ain't it the truth.
Buck49		#3	[-]
(01/04/09 10:32 PM) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah, I bought an MP3 player and the first thing you know, I had scratched all my MP3's. Tom Life is short. I'd like more meatballs and less spaghetti please.
DeRoy		#4	[-]
(01/04/09 11:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	And that's not even the half of it! Check out the Amazing Slow Downer and Tabledit softwares that allow you to slow down a song while keeping it pitch (ASD) or have it tabbed out (or with standard notation) and played back at whatever tempo you choose (Tabledit)! Andrew 000-28H
pickledpeppers		#5	[-]
(01/04/09 11:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Holy @#$%&. Does that take all the fun out of it, Gen Z? Or just the mystery!
DeRoy		#6	[-]
(01/05/09 6:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Honestly, I think a little of both. I have experimented with them both in the past, but I much prefer to just play the song, rewind, listen again, repeat as necessary. But, then again, I've been accused of being an old soul on numerous occasions! I fear that young guys who depend on tab or software to help them figure out music are missing an important part of the learning process. When you don't actively participate in that process, you don't get the full experience (and therefore the full results). That said, though, I have found the Tabledit software to be a very useful tool for songwriting and especially arranging. Andrew 000-28H
Fogducker		#7	[-]
(01/06/09 4:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah, I'd like to be 13 again,------------but I want 1951 along with it! Fog
NoSkils		#8	[-]
(01/08/09 5:07 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hell, I'd like to be 40 again.
waterpoet57		#9	[-]
(01/08/09 5:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I watch my son prosper in this regard (limitless instant tab etc. on the net) but despair at his flippant disregard for the fundamentals of music theory. His amp even doubles as a tuner for all the weird tunings that his choice of music calls for (most of which, even well executed, almost make my ears bleed). As an analogy here, I used to be a keen offshore yachtsman, doing mostly cruising, but occasionally racing. The racers used to scoff at my use of chart, pencil and compass, until one day, their navigation software crashed, out of sight of land. I think you get my drift (no pun intended). CONOR 2005 D-18GE (Lady Gwendolen) \| 2006 000-15S (Lady Grania) \| Backpacker (Miranda G) \| Forum Intro P70 "The Beatles seem to be dying in inverse proportion to their talent; this may mean that Ringo Starr will live forever" Last Edited By: waterpoet57 01/08/09 5:19 PM. Edited 1 times.
DeRoy		#10	[-]
(01/08/09 6:45 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At 29, I suppose I still qualify as a youth in this discussion, but I say amen to that, Conor. Technology can certainly be a nice tool at times in our quests for higher quality and/or efficiency, but it's when we become dependent or forget fundementals that we find ourselves in scary waters. Andrew 000-28H
waterpoet57		#11	[-]
(01/08/09 7:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	DeRoy You qualify to me, but to my 14yo son, a World expert in everything you're an old fart too CONOR 2005 D-18GE (Lady Gwendolen) \| 2006 000-15S (Lady Grania) \| Backpacker (Miranda G) \| Forum Intro P70 "The Beatles seem to be dying in inverse proportion to their talent; this may mean that Ringo Starr will live forever"
J1mmyC		#12	[-]
(01/08/09 9:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think it's pretty great that a kid starting out these days can get a starter guitar from Blueridge, Recording King, Seagull etc for $250 and have something that actually playable!
DeRoy		#13	[-]
(01/09/09 6:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	waterpoet57 wrote: DeRoy to my 14yo son, a World expert in everything you're an old fart too Hehe! Sounds alright to me. As an English teacher currently working with Sophomores (15-16), I am well acquainted with my old fart status! And you make a nice point, J1mmyC. Andrew 000-28H
om45dlx		#14	[-]
(01/11/09 9:02 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I like Ron Reagan's quote on this stuff when he was being heckled by a young guy - "You're absolutely right. Our generation didn't have those things when we were growing up. We invented them." BSA
Roger Kern		#15	[-]
(01/12/09 10:24 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Maybe slow-down technology and tab are breakthrough technologies, I don't know. But I can say that whatever "ear" I have I acquired from records by listening, memorizing and repeating on my guitar. It's not a perfect system, but I think the "imperfection" allows a bit of "me" to emerge in the process. My aim is to learn a tune by learning its feel, not necessarily all the exact notes. And once I learn it, I may not play it the same way twice. I think learning this way makes me better at following other players on tunes I don't know that well, too. Roger formerly Bobdcat
JPcares		#16	[-]
(01/12/09 2:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	For my listening, it's all about heart and soul. A great technical player can be replaced by a machine. Players with soul are too complex to be figured like that. And all the great guitars, software and audio machines cannot give a person soul. I certainly don't wanna be 13 again. www.guitarsofpikesville.com
chetday		#17	[-]
(01/12/09 4:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Andrew, are you saying TabEdit will take an MP3 of someone playing an acoustic guitar and then convert that into tabs? I see on the TabEdit site that the software will apparently do that kind of transcription with a MIDI file, but I don't see that it can transcribe an MP3. If there's software available that will do this, I'd like to read more about it. Chet
DeRoy		#18	[-]
(01/13/09 10:41 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	No, you are correct. It will just do midi. I reread my post and see that my sentence made it kind of confusing. The ASD will slow down an mp3, but Tabledit uses a certain kind of file that you can download or create new. These files can be found on a number of different websites and there are a large number of them covering everything from bluegrass to classical pieces. Often, you will find multiple versions of songs based on different versions by famous artists. Plenty of standards to be found as well as a large number of others. I like to write with it by creating new files and arrangements. Of course, I have to type all of the music in, though. I didn't mean to get your hopes up! I sure would be interested in checking something like that out, too! I'm sure someone will figure out how to do it one day. Andrew 000-28H
boomklever		#19	[-]
(01/14/09 2:21 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Back in those good old days I had (I still have it actually) a Thorens TD-125 record player which has three speeds. Not the regular 33-45-78, but 16-33-45. That lower turntable speed of 16 (16-2/3 to be precise) allowed me to play 33 rpm LP records at half the speed. For music that's great because all tones are still correct, only one complete octave lower. I used that method to find out what guitar players actually played. It worked great! '76 D35S \| '76 D35 \| '97 OM42PS \| '98 Custom 000-42S \| '91 D45 \| #66 00-18VS UMGF\| Gurian S3R \|Taylor 910 \| Lowden S25J \|Tezanos Perez \| Egmond -- Jan --
NoSkils		#20	[-]
(01/15/09 12:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I wish I had started playing at 13. As someone who began at age 45, I love the tabs, etc. I doubt my ear is good enough to do it alone and I now don't have the time that it takes to work through the process. I have found that I tabs seem accurate far to seldom and the process of trying to fix them may give me a bit of the feel for what it was like back in the day. Between tabs, my teacher and DVDs (that come with tabs (flawed tabs, but tabs nonetheless)), I can make progress with the limited time that family and job and life provide. Between access to music and teaching tools and high quality insturments, it is a great time to be learning guitar.

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